When did you start to think seriously about the things you'd have to do in order to develop an academic career? 

Probably in my third year of the PhD is when I began to think 'right, I need to keep an eye out for employment opportunities beyond the PhD, I need to think about getting publications in process and I need to find out more about the structures, how you go about finding work beyond your PhD'. Again I think that I kind of had a slightly naïve idea that there would be a job at the institution I was at once I'd finished my PhD and that's very rare I think. But at the time I thought, I don't know why, but I thought that's how it kind of worked, I'd do my PhD and I'd done a bit of teaching there and I might stay on and do more teaching there and eventually end up with a job – but it doesn't really work like that. So probably when I got to the third year and I kind of realised that it wasn't quite as easy – that's the wrong word but it wasn't quite as smooth, was when I started thinking hard about how I go about hanging on in academia.